Icon Aircraft Employees Die In Crash At Lake Berryessa
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Icon Aircraft Employees Die In Crash At Lake Berryessa

August 27, 2019


WE WILL BRING YOU THE LATEST AS WE ARE GETTING IT. DEVELOPING TONIGHT INVESTIGATORS ARE TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER WHAT CAUSED THIS EXPERIMENTAL PLANE TO CRASH. TWO PALLETS WERE KILLED. — TWO PILOTS WERE KILLED. CBS 13, MacY JENKINS HAS THE LATEST. Reporter: BOTH MEN WORKED FOR THE COMPANY. THEY WERE FLYING A SINGLE ENGINE A 5 AIRPLANE. THE SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT HAS IDENTIFIED THE VICTIMS. THEY WERE ON BOARD AND ICON A 5 PLAIN. — PLAIN — AIRPLANE. Reporter: BOTH OF THE MEN WORKED FOR THE COMPANY IN BACK OF ALL. THEY SENT A MESSAGE TO THE CUSTOMERS TODAY SAYING THIS WAS A DEVASTATING PERSONAL LOSS FOR ALL OF US. THE THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS AND THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THE FAMILY. HE SPENT 21 YEARS IN AIRCRAFT DEVELOPMENT, HE HAS LED MORE THAN 20 AIRCRAFT PROGRAMS. I SPOKE TO A FORMER COWORKER IN HE SAID THAT JOHN WAS EVERYBODY’S FRIEND. THE CAPTAIN WITH THE NAPA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT SAID THAT IT CRASHED INTO A COVE. IT WAS FLYING FOR 20 MINUTES BEFORE THE CRASH INVESTIGATORS DO NOT KNOW WHAT BROUGHT IT DOWN. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE WITH THEIR BOATS. AND A PLANE CRASHED JUST LAST WEEK HAPPENED NEAR THE LAKE AND THOSE PASSENGERS WERE UNHARMED. IS UNCOMMON THERE IS VERY VERY FEW BUT HOPEFULLY, IT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN — HAPPEN IN THREES. Reporter: INVESTIGATORS ARE STILL ASSESSING THE DAMAGE.

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  1. whatever it was – must have happened so fast as to not even have time to deploy the ballistic chute. Im sure the company will learn from this. It seems a thought out and tested design. Im always amazed how these things can even bite the seasoned pilots. Prayers to families and friends of all involved.

  2. Just discovered that plane a few weeks ago. A few days ago I knew the notice and I'm still in love with the plane. I don't know why a lot of people is afraid of that crash. Near all the plane models had acidents and Icon will learn of this

  3. The FAA preliminary report seems to indicate they were demonstrating the tight turn ability.
    They have been pushing this idea of being able to turn out of a canyon since the early days of marketing.
    Although there is some logic to this meme, I never thought it was worth the emphasis that they were giving it.
    It proved a costly mistake it seems.

  4. Anyone have any update on this accident? I've been watching this very close. Jon was such an amazing pilot and was essentially a living legend. It's a shame that these two men died. For Jon to have died on a routine flight, something major must have happened, or, what I truly think, based on reports, is that overconfidence in the aircraft, or, spending so much time behind the wheel of a car, or a motorcycle, or any type of vehicle you fully feel you've mastered, you tend to push your limits, doing things you would never have dreamed of when you first started flying, driving, riding any particular vehicle. You get a feeling of confidence, and really, it's over-confidence. Regardless, it's a tragedy, and I feel bad for the family and friends and Icon employees of these two men and truly wish the best for them all. John Karkow was just a living legend in aviation and I sincerely hope they can pull it back together and move ahead.
    I was literally discussing purchase of this aircraft, and was going to put a down payment on one 2 weeks ago. This is a brilliant LSA. I haven't changed my mind, but want to see what the outcome of the flight recorder and FAA ruling is. I've also heard some things from the factory so I'm waiting to see a report before moving forward.

  5. well it wont discourage me .i still want one .just don't want to wait a couple of years to have one built .

  6. This clearly shows the design is not good. When the designer kills himself you know you have a problem. This plane likely pulled up, he kicked in the rudder to do a U turn and stalled it. Once it stalls it does not recover due to the lower wings (sponsons) and the flow that blocks out the tail. This is basic stuff that the designer missed. There are so many things wrong with this design. More than happy to go over them if you want to discuss it. I design seaplanes, btw….seaplaneguy….

  7. Isn't a landing speed of 45 mph a little high? Maybe a higher lift airfoil with a lower stall speed and the tail plane lowered might make it safer. Tight turns require speed safety margin due to the inside of turn wing in danger of stalling resulting in a spiral straight into the ground… This is the cause of many accidents and this plane may have been doing low level turns.

  8. http://www.flyingmag.com/ntsb-releases-final-report-in-fatal-icon-a5-accident

    Pilot error. Prayers for the family and friends of the Icon employees.

    "Pilots Never Die…They Just Fly On Another Plane…" ~23 Sep 05

  9. I wonder how much money Icon has spent making this news disappear from the internet. There are some real idiots posting below talking about sabotage. This aircraft has no place in aviation, all it does is attract idiot adrenaline junkies who ride jet skies. Just imagine those retards flying this aircraft, because that is the customer they are attracting. When every promo video you make is entirely below 200 AGL, then you don't belong in aviation. As far as I'm concerned I hope this company fails miserably. Leave flying up to the professionals. The skies don't need filled with more morons than there is already.

  10. This was very sad news, the plane can always be replaced but not these two amazing guys who did what they loved are now gone. My heart goes out to the Families and to Icon.

  11. In one of Roy Halladay's tweets, he told his pilot father that he WAS flying in a fighter jet! Also, watch the promo video that Icon put out with Halladay receving the plane. His wife told him "no way. You're not doing this". She then changed here mind … This is now the SECOND former Philadelphia Phillie pitcher that has died in a "safe" plane that has a parachute! Cory Lidle was the other. Flying a plane leaves NO space for mistakes. None. I love flying, but I know that one mistake costs you your life. Is it worth it?

  12. Their designer, who had over twenty years experience as a test pilot, was killed flying the A5 just months ago. Yet, they still chose to deliver planes to relatively inexperienced customers like Roy Halladay. Wow.

  13. This plane (Icon A5) must have a design flaw….the chance of 2 plane crashes with the same model plane is slim….i would like to see what the FAA findings are: it also has a safety parachute that did not deploy? Why? Answers Please.

  14. This accident was investigated. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

    "The pilot's failure to maintain clearance from terrain while maneuvering at a low altitude. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's mistaken entry into a canyon surrounded by steep rising terrain while at a low altitude for reasons that could not be determined." (i.e. Pilot Error)
    https://ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20170508X45426&key=1

    The Icon A5 is an award winning aircraft. It is the ONLY Aircraft in the world to pass the most demanding specifications FAA Part 23 standard for spin resistance. The FAA exemption will allow the A5 to become the first, and ONLY, conventional production aircraft to meet this rigorous safety standard. It has a full parachute safety system, an "Angle of Attack" gauge system, a FIRST on non military aircraft, oh, and folding wings so you can trailer it home, too.

  15. They were only 37 ft off the water and less than 100 ft from the Canyon wall. No Aircraft can protect from bad decisions on the part of the pilot..

  16. Appears to be a flaw in this plane, makes one wonder why Halladay bought one given recent crash yet to be explained.

  17. I think this is a video a few months prior of a couple A5s on the same lake.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAd5EVTBKP0

  18. PILOT ERROR is the cause of 90% of all general aviation accidents.  Please don't trash talk a company who has invested millions of dollars into research and development because the end user abuses the principals of flight.  This is no different than slamming Porsche for the driver losing control of their 911 while driving 150mph.

  19. Nothing wrong with the plane, past accidents ruled by NTSB as pilot error and i'm almost sure the current one will be exactly the same…with many witness on the scene indicating how the plane was flown the way it flew for several days doing the same maneuvers very low on the water and with pilot having very low hours flying time and flying low altitude there is zero margin for error. As in most cases its pilot error as i mentioned there is zero margin for making mistakes on "any" aircraft as mistakes can be fatal in most scenario.

  20. This style float plane with the low seat draft and sporty feel seems to give non experienced pilots over confidence. Low flying over water is even more dangerous than low terrain flying because calmer water combined with clear sky can create depth perception problems. The FAA recommends min low altitude flying 500 feet plus. The A5 crashes thus far have been pilot error. It has a ballistic parachute but that doesn't help if the pilot makes a mistake when on the deck. Sad to hear about these.

  21. What? You can't fly these airplanes into terrain? You're supposed to know the terrain? No way. I've seen their advertising and these stall proof, spin proof, parachute equipped jet skis let "non-pilots" play Top Gun "on the deck" without regard for aviation training nor ability. Buzzing your friends on their boats is the perfect one up. Fishermen? Pfffft. Sailing quietly on the lake? Vrrrrrrooom, eat my wake. Flying is easy.

  22. They flew up the wrong canyon. By the time the pilot recognized his mistake it was too late. He couldn't climb quick enough and couldn't u-turn in time. He tried the u-turn and just didn't make it. No mystery here.

  23. After watching some other videos of seasoned pilots flying this aircraft I don’t blame the plane .The aircraft looks so easy to fly it probably gives a false sense of security and lulls the pilot into trouble.The FAA light sport license will put more of these type of aircraft into the air.This might not be a good thing when it comes to people with more money than common sense.I would fly 1.I have owned some speed boats and motorcycles that were probably more dangerous.

  24. You can tell by the design of the plane, which is outstanding to say the least, that it gives you too much confidence in its ability. Pushing the fun envelope kills you. Its not just a SeaDoo.

  25. People think this is a stupid-proof toy, and it is not. It is a great civil plane, and has to be pilot with extreme careful.

  26. I've watch a number of the videos about advertising the A5, also crashes. Also have watched the NTSB comment and to this point seems to be pilot error. The plane has not failed, but pilots have taken it into situations that exceeded it's capabilities. Seems like that there are any number of products we manufacture and purchase everyday that have the same inherent built in weaknesses. Automobiles for instance. Hundreds of deaths daily because people refuse to take driving seriously, for whatever reason, and we as a society aren't calling for a discontinuing of auto manufacturing.

    Comes down to freedom of choice and we humans often make bad choices. My wife has reminded me of that for 48 years.

  27. Investigators trying to piece together, the crash of an "EXPERIMENTAL" plane!…Hummm!…..I feel sorry for those investigators, they have a hard one up ahead of them!!! (Wink!!)

  28. It is part of the adventure… that is why not everyone is doing it… it is the adrialine rush that you get for an affordable price ….keep making these cheap planes not everyone is a billioneer to purchase the fancy one….we want flying to be accessible to every one poor middle and high class …just enjoy the ride and die with a smile in your face that at least you achieve your dream of flying without breaking your back paying it with an expensive price..hehehe

  29. Look where it crashed close to land. Im sure he tried to do some stunt manure and it was too late to balance it. Sorry for they're lives but it was pilot error. That aircraft its the nicest sporty anfibios plane

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