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August 22, 2019


>>NI-LEWIS: Bam. Welcome to The Friday Games
Review.>>GALPIN: Oh, yeah. Rolling in again. All
right.>>NI-LEWIS: Bam.
>>GALPIN: Welcome again, to The Friday Games Review.
>>NI-LEWIS All right.>>GALPIN: I’m Dan Galpin and with me is Ian
Ni-Lewis.>>NI-LEWIS: And we’re kicking it old school
today. We decided, we’ve been doing a lot to bring the quality of the show up and you
know lots of new shots…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …lots of new effect, lots of new…
>>GALPIN: Low quality today, that’s we were at, man.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. Today, we just dragged out the bar table, we got the beers and honestly,
we’re just going to talk games.>>GALPIN: Yup.
>>NI-LEWIS: And if you guys want to stick around, that’s cool. I’m not going stop you.
>>GALPIN: That’s right. And we want–we actually have looked at the moderator page and guys,
stop nominating stuff we’ve already looked at man, come on.
>>NI-LEWIS: I’m also like stop this garbage.>>GALPIN: Well, yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: I was kind of bummed about that.>>GALPIN: But now you know, there’s some
good stuff here. But you know really, man. We like–we’ve already reviewed it. We’re
not going to review again unless…>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN…unless you’ve done like something just totally kick ass awesome with it
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. But seriously you know, hey, we’re tired.
>>GALPIN: It’s been a while…>>NI-LEWIS: We had some week, yeah.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, it’s been [INDISTINCT]>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, lots of–lots of stuff
going down here at work but…>>GALPIN: All good. Good stuff.
>>NI-LEWIS: Good stuff for you, I guess. Anyway, point B…
>>GALPIN: Dude, we’re going to get promoted, man.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, there you go. All right. So, anyway, we’ve got a lot of stuff to talk
about but I think we’re going to–we’re going to do a little bit of game review or think–we’re
just going to talk a little bit about games. We’ve actually been doing–we–every now then,
we kind of do a sweep of a bunch of games that are popular.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: To see you know, how well they’re
working on different devices and if there’s any issues with them…
>>GALPIN: Developers do very…>>NI-LEWIS: …performances like.
>>GALPIN: …interesting things.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: That’s what we learn.>>NI-LEWIS: So, yeah. We’ve learn some really
interesting things that I think it would be fun to talk about them and at the same time
we’d like to you know, look at a few games.>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: And maybe mock some, maybe not.>>GALPIN: It’s possible, yeah. Well, you
know, we have–we have–we have our good friends from Com2uS nominated a game and their games
are always fun because they don’t–they aren’t intended to appeal to my cultural norm.
>>NI-LEWIS: Do you remember when we had to send that one game back? And say we’re not
going to feature it unless you take out the giant red…
>>GALPIN: The falace.>>NI-LEWIS: …I guess it was supposed to
be a rocket.>>GALPIN: It was, it was, but it–the problem
is when you make a rocket with two giant round orbs on the side of it. It really does have
the wrong impression.>>NI-LEWIS: Especially when the nose is kind
of purple.>>GALPIN: Yes, yeah, absolutely. It was…
>>NI-LEWIS: Anyway, today, we’re drinking Lagunitas IPA.
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm. Cheers. We need this today.>>NI-LEWIS: It’s a gift from our friend the
Famster because I’ve totally run through my beer budget and I’m not going to start spending
on something else like wine.>>GALPIN: Beer. No. You’re not–come on,
it’s the beer budget.>>NI-LEWIS: That’s true, that’s true.
>>GALPIN: Yeah. Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: No, actually you know, what I’m
spending it on now is audio stuff and lights.>>GALPIN: And lights?
>>NI-LEWIS: Yup, because we need key lights. We need key lights…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …coming right back here shining
down on your shoulders…>>GALPIN: That’s right.
>>NI-LEWIS: It’s going to make your hair look luxurious.
>>GALPIN: So, I’m wearing a hat again because there was some public outcry about the fact
that I had no hat last week, so once again. But what is–what is fun is I’m actually performing
in an opera right now in my spare time.>>NI-LEWIS: I thought you said they’re going
to make you cut your hair for that.>>GALPIN: Yeah, they were going to. But…
>>NI-LEWIS: And you rebelled?>>GALPIN: Well, no. I didn’t actually…
>>NI-LEWIS: Your cast members rebelled.>>GALPIN: Actually, they first tried to put
me in a wig. And they put me in a wig that was–honestly like the $20 wig special. And
I looked I was a game show host. And you know, when you’re in an opera where you’re suppose
to be in like 1890 or something like that and you look like you know, Wink Martindale.
It just–it just doesn’t work.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, Wink Martindale. I miss
that guy.>>GALPIN: I do, too.
>>NI-LEWIS: [INDISTINCT] of him, anyway.>>GALPIN: But they did make me actually dye
my beard. This is–this is not the normal color. So, it shows…
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, I noticed them.>>GALPIN: …a lot better on video. I think
I’m going to go…>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: …go Zorro for Halloween this year because I–do you think I’m rocking the
Zorro look?>>NI-LEWIS: Probably.
>>GALPIN: Like fat Zorro is where going forward.>>NI-LEWIS: And juts because we’re probably
going to die half-way through when the YouTube stream cuts out. Might as well say right now
that next week, it will be a perfect time to talk about Halloween apps.
>>GALPIN: Absolutely. And Halloween games. So, you know, we’re–we’re going to actually
have a two weeks of Halloween games so you know, it doesn’t actually say so the moderate
pages yet, but please nominate some Halloween games otherwise, I’m going to nominate them
so yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: I don’t think it’s really a risk.
I think that there is…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS:…plenty of–in fact, most games have come out.
>>GALPIN: There’s so many zombie games out there.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, exactly.>>GALPIN: I mean, seriously.
>>NI-LEWIS: Exactly. Right.>>GALPIN: Now, here we are. It’s Farmville
with zombies.>>NI-LEWIS: Yup.
>>GALPIN: Zombieville.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: There actually is a game.>>NI-LEWIS: Actually, so I’m really excited
to see if there’s going to be an Android version. My–one of my old co-workers from Project
Offset did a mobile game called brains. It’s a zombie real time strategy game.
>>GALPIN: It’s right up your alley.>>NI-LEWIS: You play–you play the zombie
horde.>>GALPIN: That’s awesome.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: That’s very–to me, it’s interesting.
Okay. So, it’s–I’m looking forward to that. That sounds cool. And–so right now, we’ll
say the closest we have to Halloween, is we do–we do have witch wars on tap for today.
>>NI-LEWIS: But it’s not really a Halloween witch.
>>GALPIN: NO, no. There sort of your sexy anime witch.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: That’s the way we describe it.
So–and it’s weird because you pointed out, they do have handcuffs. It’s one of the things…
>>NI-LEWIS: No, let’s…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …do is judge for themselves.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: So just take a look at. Now, you’ll notice that we’ve completely [INDISTINCT]
today, we don’t have any titles or anything.>>GALPIN: Nope, you’ll have out figure out
what we’re…>>NI-LEWIS: Yup.
>>GALPIN: …looking at on time.>>NI-LEWIS: It’s a mystery.
>>GALPIN: Disconnected to the server. Ops, ops, wait hold on.
>>NI-LEWIS: Basically what we did…>>GALPIN: The game is back.
>>NI-LEWIS: …is, if there’s like a lot of hating in the YouTube comments.
>>GALPIN: Uh-huh.>>NI-LEWIS: Well, first, we’ll discount 90%
of it because that’s what you do with YouTube comments if you want to remain sane. No offense.
But…>>GALPIN: Wait–did we start out saying,
that’s the real question.>>NI-LEWIS: No.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, that’s what I was going to say.
>>NI-LEWIS: And of course I’m not talking about any of our live viewers because they
all rock.>>GALPIN: Point being.
>>NI-LEWIS: That I–we are kind of like just winging this show today…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: … but we’d love to hear–yeah,
a sort of you know, counter point what we’ve been doing before which is kind of like slick
and over produced I guess. You know, what do you think?
>>GALPIN: Yeah, let us–let us know if you want us to continue over producing, we can
do that. We can make more three titles.>>NI-LEWIS: We…
>>GALPIN: We can use more effects. We can use more green screen, we can–we can…
>>NI-LEWIS: That’s right, baby.>>GALPIN: …we can–we can have us on freaking
Mars man. Now for the next–to the next show…>>NI-LEWIS: That’s right.
>>GALPIN: …it’s up to you.>>NI-LEWIS: I’ve got a green screen, a bonus
burning, a whole in my pocket and a year’s subscription to Adobe CS6.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, better watch out.>>GALPIN: Absolutely. Exactly man. After–we’re
going to use After Effects on your but so let’s just…
>>Uh-oh, guys, I’ll just put a lower thirds for you guys.
>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, no. You didn’t [INDISTINCT] rock on.
>>GALPIN: He just do that, you know, he does that to spike us. That’s awesome. Thank you.
We have lower thirds now, so yes, the title is Witch wars and let me tap restart.
>>NI-LEWIS: No, wait a second, Dan.>>GALPIN: Because you’ll see the witch is
exempted at the beginning.>>NI-LEWIS: Right, there’s a witches, okay.
>>GALPIN: And [MAKES SOUND]>>NI-LEWIS: So excellent. And Dan, this game
play it’s really interesting to me. It seems like…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …there’s a bunch of things
here.>>GALPIN: They’re talking. Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: That you need to match.>>GALPIN: Yes.
>>NI-LEWIS: How many do you need to match?>>GALPIN: Three.
>>NI-LEWIS: Three, really? Okay.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: That’s interesting. And there’s like a grid of them and they’re all different
sorts of objects.>>GALPIN: Yes, but I’m playing against another
witch. You see?>>NI-LEWIS: Okay.
>>GALPIN: So, she’s like–she’s like kicking my butt now because you’re talking.
>>NI-LEWIS: Well…>>GALPIN: Wait, you’re ruining my game.
>>NI-LEWIS: So what you’re saying is, I’m talking so you’re not getting any work done?
>>GALPIN: Exactly. Hey, wait. I’m sending–I’m sending a message here.
>>NI-LEWIS: I’m just saying.>>GALPIN: No, no.
>>NI-LEWIS: I’m just saying. So anyway, yeah. So, play it man.
>>GALPIN: I’m restarting, okay. Oh, witches.>>NI-LEWIS: Is it always the same witches?
>>GALPIN: I don’t know.>>NI-LEWIS: Okay. And then the question is,
yeah, why do did they have handcuffs?>>GALPIN: Well yeah, that I didn’t understand
the handcuffs part. Is there–is there–so let us know in the live stream, is there a
some sort of witch thing of handcuffs that we should be aware of that you know, that
we–I understand like you know, that–the star pentagram and stuff like that you know,
that’s–that kind of stuff like that, the Star of David is kind of sort of witchy thing
to some people. But yeah, come on, tell me what this is what this is? I don’t get the
symbolism here. Maybe I’m trying to read too much in this game.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, that is weird. There’s a Star of David. Shouldn’t it be like a pentagram?
>>GALPIN: It should be a pentagram, yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: Is this like just all completely
messed up?>>GALPIN: It’s possible. I just don’t know.
I honestly, I haven’t had enough to drink yet to get this game. So…
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, you are a little–do you want to just take a break?
>>Guys, I’m just going to jump in and read you guys in one of the comments?
>>GALPIN: Okay.>>So this is from one of our long time viewers…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>…FunnerGo he says, the last minute title
card actually looks better and then the formerly over produced title card.
>>GALPIN: That’s like–that’s awesome. That is not–we are–we are so, okay. Okay. Good
to know. Good to know. I blame…>>NI-LEWIS: No, he’s got–he’s a good point.
>>GALPIN: I blame Keno for that actually.>>NI-LEWIS: Well, I’ll tell you what happen
is we–yeah, we threw together that–that thing in Keno and it looked good at the time
and then, one of the reasons we don’t have it now, is because we got really sick of it
and didn’t like it at all. So…>>GALPIN: You’re with us actually.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, yeah. We’re totally with you.
>>GALPIN: We’re–when we actually have time next week, maybe we’ll do another one that’s
cooler.>>NI-LEWIS: But you know, just so you know
that’s not a thrown together title card. That is in original Roman of New York title card.
For which, we paid vast sums.>>GALPIN: Yeah, his salary.
>>NI-LEWIS: Vast sums. All right. So, what is this have that other match free games don’t
have? I think it’s a question you will always got to ask.
>>GALPIN: It is–it is a battle element–oh, she’s crying. She lost, I totally won. Hey,
new witch.>>NI-LEWIS: So, it’s got witches and a handcuffs
and battles and spells. And it’s actually pretty cool like, honestly it’s fun. Where
there spells?>>GALPIN: Yeah. We get spells by matching
up certain skills you see and then you can cast spells. Dude, level one explosion.
>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, nice.>>GALPIN: So, yeah. So, it is–I mean, honestly,
it’s fun. You know, if you like these kind of games, there’s ones that really have a
lot more depth in terms of, like, progression, like, you know, one of my favorite ones is
called Atlantis that I actually played all the way through. From players, they talked
about it a few times on here.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: Because I like the fact that you actually got to different cities and got to
different challenges. And–but, this is fun for what it is. It’s sort of–it’s sort of
reminds me actually of the classic puzzle fighter in the sense that you’re sort of,
you know, you’re–you know, you’re kind of battling against someone else.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. That’s what I was thinking, you know…
>>GALPIN: You know, but taking it to match 3 instead of–instead of to, you know…
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-huh.>>GALPIN: Puzzle Bobble kind of thing.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. Yeah.>>GALPIN: So, you know, I’d say cool. Nice
Match up with game donors.>>NI-LEWIS: That is cool.
>>GALPIN: I always appreciate match ups. As far as the graphics, we have really kind
of low res backgrounds with high res icons. If you actually look, you will get–I don’t
know if you can see this in live stream, but if you actually can see, like, the versus,
it’s really kind of blurry and the backgrounds are really blurry. But then the icons are
beautiful, like…>>NI-LEWIS: You got to ask yourself if…
>>GALPIN: That’s…>>NI-LEWIS: …they did that and the–and
the [INDISTINCT] just decided, “Okay, this background is too big, probably you’ll notice
if we just blur it out a little bit and make it smaller.
>>GALPIN: Yeah. You know, I–they–and I’m sure they are trying to make the APK size
small which I appreciated. I would say one thing that was great about today, all these
games installed in, like, four minutes. Like, honestly, they were…
>>NI-LEWIS: Wow.>>GALPIN: …they were all tiny games.
>>NI-LEWIS: Unlike Bard’s Tale.>>GALPIN: Unlike Bard’s Tale. Yeah. Last
week and I was, like, installing Bard’s tale…>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: …which by the way is awesome. Thank you inXile for doing that. That’s like–it
made my whole week the fact that we had Bard’s Tale on Android finally. But, yeah, it’s freaking
enormous and mostly because of the song about beer, beer, beer, tiddly beer, beer. Oh, I
got stunned.>>NI-LEWIS: It is Tommy Tallarico, you don’t
cut out his songs.>>GALPIN: No, you don’t. You absolutely don’t.
And it’s Kerry Ellis as the–as the narrator–not as the narrator, as the–as the Bard. So,
you know, you got to appreciate that.>>NI-LEWIS: That’s true. You know, the funny
thing is I think the last time I played Bard’s Tale…
>>GALPIN: Uh-huh.>>NI-LEWIS: …was actual Bard’s Tale, like…
>>GALPIN: Yeah. They–same here.>>NI-LEWIS: …when they came out…
>>GALPIN: I miss the PS2 version…>>NI-LEWIS: And what was the [INDISTINCT]
it actually comes with that.>>GALPIN: Yes. Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: And it’s not nearly as good as I remembered. All right. Yeah.
>>GALPIN: When you’re…>>NI-LEWIS: Back then a 240×240 graphic in…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …like 16 colors, it really
blew me away.>>GALPIN: It was Awesome. Yeah. It’s, like,
how did they get so many colors on the screen, man?
>>NI-LEWIS: Right. Well, because I had a VGA monitor which…
>>GALPIN: Oh, yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …you could put in the 256 color
mode as long as you’re willing to go down to QVGA.
>>GALPIN: So, one thing that’s interesting about this game is this game actually uses
Com2uS’s…>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, yeah.
>>GALPIN: …network back in the game.>>NI-LEWIS: Dude, you’ve totally stepped
on my reminiscing.>>GALPIN: I know. I know. I know.
>>NI-LEWIS: No. But you didn’t even say anything. You didn’t say–you didn’t say, like, “Oh,
shut up, Ian. Let’s talk about this.” You just like acted, like, I wasn’t even talking.
>>GALPIN: So, no. I mean, I totally–I totally miss that. Actually, you know, one of my favorite
thing was I had an original, like, you know, CGA adaptor for my PC and most people didn’t
realize that if you actually hooked it up to a composite monitor and you had the right
games that could actually display 16 colors at once. So, that’s how the original…
>>NI-LEWIS: What?>>GALPIN: …King’s Quest worked. And it
used the same methods in the Apple II.>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, oh, right, right, right.
Because it–yeah, it does–it was like a–was it scam line or was it block?
>>GALPIN: It was block.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: So, the block pellet, right?
>>GALPIN: Yeah. So, and basically you would–you would–you have two lines, you put them right
next to each other horizontally and then you end up getting the color on…
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: …composite because of the, you
know, kind of affect–raster effect you got from that.
>>NI-LEWIS: Right.>>GALPIN: Similar to what you got on apple
II. So…>>NI-LEWIS: Do you remember the Commodore
64 did that, but they didn’t actually have enough memory, so every pixel on it being
twice as wide?>>GALPIN: Yes.
>>NI-LEWIS: All right. Back to Witch Wars.>>GALPIN: Good days.
>>NI-LEWIS: Witch Wars.>>GALPIN: So, yeah, and so overall, you know,
pretty good. I mean, my main–my main thing is it like it pushes the Com2uS social network
into, like, new levels of annoyance if you don’t want to actually use it. But the game–the
game plays…>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, come one.
>>GALPIN: No.>>NI-LEWIS: It’s not–I mean, what is it
doing?>>GALPIN: Well–okay. So, the first–let’s
see if I can actually replicate it. I might have to clear the…
>>NI-LEWIS: I mean–well, I just didn’t–I didn’t see it come up or anything.
>>GALPIN: Okay.>>NI-LEWIS: They all take a really long time
to load. I don’t know why. It’s like refining swords and, like, “Dude, what–are you copying
something to the–from the EPK file?” I mean, this game is tiny. Like, I’m not sure what
it’s doing, delivering skill books…>>NI-LEWIS: That is what it is.
>>GALPIN: …like is it caught in the network. I just want to play. I want to get my witch
action on and…>>NI-LEWIS: Delivering handcuffs ordered
from the shopping mall. I mean, seriously there is…
>>GALPIN: There is something…>>NI-LEWIS: There is something up with [INDISTINCT]
>>GALPIN: Yeah. I know. This game, I know.>>NI-LEWIS: I don’t–yeah. I don’t know how
to interpret this, but I don’t think I want to.
>>GALPIN: So, then when it comes up actually, I ended up getting–you end up getting the,
you know, some sort of news. It looks like it’s actually being nice to me the second
time. It’s not actually forcing me into lots and lots of stuff.
>>NI-LEWIS: Okay.>>GALPIN: Which is cool.
>>NI-LEWIS: So, it gave you some ads up front.>>GALPLIN: It get–well, not add–not just
ads, like, kind of a general–okay, maybe I signed–I don’t know.
>>NI-LEWIS: I’m sure these guys know what they’re doing. They make, you know, oodles
and oodles of sales in–especially in Korea.>>GALPIN: [INDISTINCT] I didn’t–I like O-ker
and–instructions.>>NI-LEWIS: Well, yeah, they…
>>GALPIN: I would–I would say they don’t quite know what they’re doing. They’re close.
They’re close.>>NI-LEWIS: Well, it’s just they don’t–all
right. But my personal theory is that they’re–most of their translation department is, like,
nephews and…>>GALPIN: Well, I’m just saying that, like,
this is a–the word wrapping thing though here.
>>NI-LEWIS: Well, actually let me explain it to you.
>>GALPIN: Okay. Okay. All right.>>NI-LEWIS: All right. You and I…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …wrap words on…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …syllables…
>>GALPIN: That’s because we wrap.>>NI-LEWIS: Right.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: You know what this is?
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: This is how you do word wrapping
Gangnam Style.>>GALPIN: All right. Gangnam Style. All right.
So, anyways, we’ll quit. Let’s go–let’s go to our next game. I figured that I have to
look–we have to look at Happy Sheep.>>NI-LEWIS: We have to look at Happy Sheep,
but only because we want to know if anyone on the live stream can explain this game to
us.>>GALPIN: The sheep are happy…
>>NI-LEWIS: Well, they’re very happy and it’s like–I mean, I think–I definitely got
past the first level and I’m pretty sure I knew how I got past the first level. I just…
>>GALPIN: All right. Play button really close to advertisement, clever. All right. So, your
goal is to get the sheep into the barn, I think, and you do that partially by flicking
them, I think, but mostly by using the [INDISTINCT]>>NI-LEWIS: You know what, flicking is not
actually a part of it.>>GALPIN: Oh, it is.
>>NI-LEWIS: It is not a mechanic. It’s–because if you try to–wow. Because if you–if you
really pay attention and just tapping them.>>GALPIN: Oh.
>>NI-LEWIS: I don’t think it’s actually requiring–well, so basically you put the barn at the bottom
of the screen and just let everything fall.>>GALPIN: Yeah, I guess so. So, the sheep
are happy. Mostly–you know, and that’s good. They have–they have one frame of animation
on them which is, you know–which makes them look happier. There’s a dog. I’m not sure
what the dog does except that–I guess it blocks you from getting sheep in if it happens
to be in the right place.>>NI-LEWIS: That doesn’t make sense. It seems
like the dog should be helping you get the sheep in.
>>GALPIN: Totally. Totally. But, you know, dogs don’t–you know, you do–you do have
sheep dogs that are, you know, that go with sheep. Oh, we just lost HDMI because, you
know, microHD my socks.>>Yeah. It flickering. I don’t [INDISTINCT]
>>GALPIN: There we are. All right. But anyway, so that’s the game. You could see on the tablet,
we’re seeing some minor sprite alignment errors. You can see the classic around the chickens.
You can see there are little lines around the chickens and a little line around the
dog and this is pretty common if you’re using a sprite sheet and you’re trying to break
things up and run on the…>>NI-LEWIS: Carefully, something…
>>GALPIN: …of higher resolution.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. All right. Stop playing
that game, seriously.>>GALPIN: Oh, yeah. What? Why?
>>NI-LEWIS: Because you keep tilting it around and it keeps popping out the connector.
>>GALPIN: Oh, but I’m holding the connector in now.
>>NI-LEWIS: Well, you’re not holding it right.>>GALPIN: I’m not holding it right?
>>NI-LEWIS: Put it on the table.>>GALPIN: Damn it.
>>NI-LEWIS: Just put it on–you know what, you’re cut off. Come one. Come on. Come on.
>>I have a couple of great comments from our viewers.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, please.>>GALPIN: Oh, yeah, go for it.
>>NI-LEWIS: Let’s hear some viewer comments.>>So, the first comment is that flicking
your sheep causes blindness, I’m just saying.>>NI-LEWIS: I have no idea…
>>GALPIN: Good point–good point…>>NI-LEWIS: …what you’re talking about.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, exactly.>>And the second comment is that someone
wants to see us abuse the green screen in horrible ways.
>>GALPIN: Yeah. All right.>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, believe me, we have.
>>GALPIN: We already have, yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: We’re already saving it for the
outtakes video. But…>>GALPIN: Dude.
>>NI-LEWIS: …I will say this about [INDISTINCT] the sprite outlines that you saw…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …did not occur without the
HDMI connector plugged in. So, this is something that we’re actually starting to learn is it’s
really, really important to go in and test your game at really bizarre resolutions.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: Because sooner or later, no matter
what resolution you think is never going to in the real world…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …it’s going to hit the streets
of Shenzhen at half the price of everything else.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: And Samsung is going to snap
up a bullet load of them.>>GALPIN: Yeah. You know, it’s–I mean, people
are–I’m always amazed on what we’re getting in terms of screens. I mean, even in terms
of last year when, you know, I was kind of amazed that we actually had a device which–we’re
shipping out on a phone form factor with 720p, that was last year.
>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, yeah.>>GALPIN: Who knows…
>>NI-LEWIS: And God only knows what’s going to happen…
>>GALPIN: Yeah, exactly, what’s going to happen this year, so…
>>NI-LEWIS: But, it’s not just that.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: It’s that you think–you think, “Oh, 720p, that’s pretty crazy.”
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: But what’s really crazy is 735p…
>>GALPIN: Well, yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …or…
>>GALPIN: Which is actually that we were because…
>>NI-LEWIS: Exactly.>>GALPIN: …when you–when you–we’re actually–we’re
actually at–on this device, we’re actually running at true 720p when you’re in HDMI.
But you’re not on HDMI, we’re in this kind of weird funky thing where we’re actually…
>>NI-LEWIS: Right.>>GALPIN: …you know, 35 or 40 pixels short
of that I think. So…>>NI-LEWIS: Exactly. And so–yeah.
>>GALPIN: Or longer than that.>>NI-LEWIS: That can–that can mess up some
sprite sheet calculations, I think.>>GALPIN: Yeah. Absolutely. So, anyway, it
was interesting. Also, the thing that it’s interesting when you plug the HDMI and you
actually–you actually get one of those rare things where it actually gets your–tells
your app to change the size. And so your app needs not to respond to that. We actually
had one app earlier that had a giant purple or green fringe on it and that actually was
because, oh, we just never realize that the size change could come in as late as it did.
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: So, you do have–you do have to
watch out for that.>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, you change–you can come
in any time.>>GALPIN: You’re going to come in any time,
you got to be ready for it.>>NI-LEWIS: Yup.
>>GALPIN: So…>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. I mean, we’ve said it before
and we’ll say it again. Programming Android is not like programming a game console. It’s
like programming a desktop or a web browser. You have to be ready for hardware to be different.
>NI-LEWIS: All right. So, that was fun,
but tell us what you have been doing this week, Dan.
>>GALPIN: Other than flicking my sheep?>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: Okay. So, what other games we have going on? We actually have Words Workout which
is fun. It’s yet another in a long line of words games, but it’s done very, very well.
I would say that the excessive use of rounded rectangles is a little unnecessary in Android.
But there’s some good words here like pleat. Ouch. And you are, you know, it’s a time game
so, uh, oh, well. So, yeah, we now–we get to learn how good I am with these games. Anyways,
so it’s a fun game. We were trying to draw things in a sort of a boggle-esque fashion.
There’s a lot of power ups, a lot of really well-thought out stuff. I thought it was a
really fun game. On a tablet, it works great, you know, because it just scales to fill the
screen. The only thing on the tablet is the–obviously you can see the area with the ad is kind of
awkward looking and takes a very small portion of that top there so…
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: …probably could just adjust for
that.>>NI-LEWIS: Especially games like this. There’s
really not much of an excuse for not trying it on the emulator.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: And just try some different sizes.
It’s a little bit of a pain because honestly, it–we don’t switch as fast as we could…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …between different sizes and
different lay-outs…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS…on the emulator, on the dev tools, but it’s well worth it. And it turns
out that for games nowadays–I mean, I think we used to see some really bizarre things.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, absolutely.>>NI-LEWIS: And we still do on some devices.
But as we’re, you know, for instances, as we’re looking at devices that haven’t shipped
yet which we sometimes do, there can be some crazy stuff. But…
>>GALPIN: Yeah. Well, you know, it’s interesting. We, you know, we sometimes do it to ourselves.
And, you know, I think one of the things we’re going to cover in future sessions are–is
ways in which we–you have to be careful, you know.
>>NI-LEWIS: Right.>>GALPIN: And so, sometimes people make assumptions
about the way the memory in devices are laid out. Sometimes there are actually some bugs
in [INDISTINCT] it turns out that were affecting the way that one could subclass various classes
that people we’re accidentally taking advantage of.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, that’s actually one thing you’ll notice is that the original Android
source base, you know, was obviously not a hundred percent perfect and there were a few
things that either were underspecified or were just done wrong that tend to get cleaned
up over time by AOSP contributors.>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: So, for instance…>>GALPIN: And by us, and by us, yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: And by us. So, for instance we made–for Jelly Bean we made pthread POSIX
compliant. It was supposed to return an error…>>GALPIN: Yes.
>>NI-LEWIS: …if it couldn’t give you the thread you wanted, you know, with the scheduling…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …that you wanted. And it used
to just fall back and, you know, still create a thread, but it wasn’t what you asked for.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: And we made it do the right thing,
which was to return an error and that broke everybody.
>>GALPIN: Everything.>>NI-LEWIS: Because it turns out nobody was–why
would you check for errors on pthread because it never [INDISTINCT]
>>GALPIN: Yeah, exactly.>>NI-LEWIS: So, we had ton of games and other
apps that would spin up threads and then sit there waiting like, “Hey, all right, just
waiting for that thread to spin up.”>>GALPIN: Waiting for the thread to spin
up.>>Ni-LEWIS: And–exactly.
>>GALPIN: And, yeah. And nothing would happen. So–yeah. So, you have to be–you should be
a little bit cautious.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: Sometimes reading our docs actually is a good thing.
>>NI-LEWIS: And also just, you know, adhering to standards even when it doesn’t break you.
You know, the other thing that happened I believe is the Ice Cream Sandwich timeframe…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …was we tightened up the JNI
referencing restrictions.>>GALPIN: Oh, we’ve done that several times.
>>NI-LEWIS: Because we, you know, and this is usually to make things faster.
>>GALPIN: Well, some of the things that happened, you know, when we add a single threaded, you
know, everywhere.>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.
>>GALPIN: There are kind of two things we did at once. We went multi CPU.
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: And at the same time we also tightened
up JNI and I think they sort of went hand in hand. But for a long time, we weren’t cleaning
up JNI very effectively. So, you could pretty much guarantee that if you reference something
from the JVM, that reference would always exist in JNI as long as it existed in the
JVM.>>NI-LEWIS: Well, basically what we were
doing is…>>GALPIN: Or [INDISTINCT] let’s be clear.
>>NI-LEWIS: …the “opaque candles” that were getting passed back were just references
to memory…>>GALPIN: To chunks of memory and then…
>>NI-LEWIS: …and then the address is the one changing.
>>GALPIN: …and now–and then we switch to actually passing opaque candles [INDISTINCT]
>>NI-LEWIS: Right.>>GALPIN: That were actually candles.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, because at some point we realize we, you know, we’re not going to make
this GC any faster…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …unless we start rearranging memory, so.
>>GALPIN: Exactly. So, one of the–of the things everyone should do in addition to using
CheckJNIs is to also build against the latest versions of the NDK and build against the
latest versions of the SDK. Be very, very careful especially with native tools especially
if you’re using any pre-built libraries because that…
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: …you know, you don’t know how
those pre-built libraries were compiled. Maybe they were compiled with an older version of
the NDK, maybe they’re complied with the [INDISTINCT] flag. So, in general, I, you know, especially
with binary libraries, be very, very cautious.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, this is–the reason we’re
talking about this is because recently it’s become very obvious to us that as we do more
address layouts–address space layouts randomization and just screw with the address space in different
ways…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …old code that was compiled with very old NDK is not re-locatable in the
same way that the newer code is and this also goes for code that may have been compiled
with a different toolchain.>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: So, if you’re using some other random toolchain to generate Android code,
be aware that we only test against the NDK.>>GALPIN: Yeah, so, definitely, you know,
all you guys out there I know there’s a bunch of other, you know, a lot–a lot–for a long
time Chris Axe was like doing sorts of cool stuff that we, you know, later introduced
into the NDK. So, you can definitely run into problems there. So, just be very, very cautious
that you’re always using the latest version of our tools because that’s going to guarantee
the longest forward compatibility that we can.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yup. All right.>>GALPIN: All right. So, anyways it’s a cool
game. I–you know, I really don’t have much to say about it other than they really need
to make this dialogue dismissible with the back key as a general rule.
>>NI-LEWIS: There’s not [INDISTINCT] all right.
>>GALPIN: Zombie.>>NI-LEWIS: That bad.
>>GALPIN: Back key must work.>>NI-LEWIS: That’s an x for us, dude.
>>GALPIN: Oh, sorry.>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, dude, you should be Frankenstein.
>>GALPIN: Oh.>>NI-LEWIS: You should be hipster Frankenstein.
>>GALPIN: Hipster Frank–with the beard?>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, exactly.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, exactly. I should keep the beard just so I can be–I can have–I can
have–I have sunglasses [INDISTINCT] your tablet is not cool as mine because yours is
shiny and silver and mine is blackish colored.>>NI-LEWIS: This is–that’s–it’s purple.
>>GALPIN: Purple, yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: Or actually that’s–it’s amethyst.
>>GALPIN: It is amethyst.>>NI-LEWIS: And this one isn’t silver. Don’t
fool yourself. It’s champagne.>>GALPIN: It is actually. That is the color
they call it.>>NI-LEWIS: You know why?
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: Because we’re the Sex and the
City girls basically.>>GALPIN: Absolutely.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: That’s why we got this hat. It’s
all about accessorizing. All right. So, let’s look–let’s look at a game that actually–unlike
Words Workout, it’s somewhat actually–oh, my god that’s small. You can bring up the
tablet now, Mr. Fanster. And, yeah, there we are. This is actually a portrait. Yeah,
I know. Look at that. That is high production values right there. Now, you’ll notice–this
is one of those times in which actually looking at screen size is useful because by default
this is of course an nDPI device, so you’re getting very small text and very small icons.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>Yeah, Which game is this, guys?
>>GALPIN: This is Math Twister.>>NI-LEWIS: Math Twister.
>>GALPIN: M-A–now, you can tell it’s not from the US because it’s got math in it and
no one in the US would actually call it Math. It would definitely be a–something coming
from somewhere else, you know, usually with some k in it or something like that, maybe
Australia. I’m not sure. I didn’t look for this [INDISTINCT] but clearly not from here.
>>Ni-LEWIS: Did you know in Australia…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …they call soccer, soccer?>>GALPIN: What? As you know, originally the
term soccer came from the UK. And we are not that–and we–and we just kept using it and
they said, Stop, we’re calling it football.”>>NI-LEWIS: I love this because…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …it’s like we can make a 600
mile journey across England in just a few sentences.
>>GALPIN: That’s right. It all depends on what app are we talking of the–wait, hold
on, hold on, wait. I got one more–no, I’ve got–no, sorry. I can’t…
>>NI-LEWIS: Come on. Give me a [INDISTINCT] and [INDISTINCT]
>>GALPIN: No, no, don’t say that at all. It’s nothing like it. That sounds bad as the…
>>NI-LEWIS: That’s the dude that tried to sound like Ringo in the Old Submarine.
>>GALPIN: That is so absolutely true. Well, you know, the funny thing about The Beatles
too is that they actually were coached to sound like that because they came on–I don’t
want to talk like this. What are you talking about?” Like no Americans could understand
you. You need to slow the way down.>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, really? Like what’s his name
in that one movie?>>GALPIN: Yes, exactly. So, they said no.
They were–they taught them. They actually said, “You’ve got to slow down the way you
speak.” Like, “All right. Well, we’ll speak like this then. And then yeah, we’ll sound
like we’re always on something.”>>I think you mean Brad Pitt from Snatch.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: Yes.
>>NI-LEWIS: Exactly.>>GALPIN: Exactly.
>>NI-LEWIS: What? You didn’t know that? Because that’s what I was talking about. Dan got it.
>>GALPIN: All right. That’s enough about us. Let’s get on to Math Twister. So, you
know, I’ll go with a bit more of a refined accent for this. Math Twister is a highly
educational game. We can choose untimed and different levels of difficulty which will
throw math problems at us. You know what is 10% of 80? Or two times seven? Or six times
nine? Or 10% of 70? And they get kind of fun. I have no…
>>NI-LEWIS: And you’re now George Harrison’s butler.
>>GALPIN: That’s right, something like that. Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: By the way, I just want to–I just want to pause for a second to recognize
our new producer, Producer Louis who…>>GALPIN: Louis.
>>NI-LEWIS: …is not might.>>GALPIN: No, he’s not.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. Sorry.>>GALPIN: So, he’s…
>>NI-LEWIS: Louis, I’m sorry.>>GALPIN: …he’s the silent producer.
>>NI-LEWIS: So, Producer Louis named as Louis but he spells it Louis which really bugs me
because my last name is Lewis and I spell it Lewis. He’s not on camera today because
he’s phenomenal handsomeness…>>But he could be.
>>NI-LEWIS: …would…>>NO, no, no.
>>NI-LEWIS: …would cause all of us to look hideous in comparison.
>>Now, Lewis, the way you spell it…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>…is the American fashion.>>GALPIN: That’s true.
>>The Louis I spell it is the French way and the original.
>>GALPIN: I see. That’s true.>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, like King Louis?
>>Yes. All 15, 16 or 20 of them. Yes.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: That is [INDISTINCT] something like that.
>>NI-LEWIS: And did they ask…>>GALPIN: So are…
>>NI-LEWIS: …you to pronounce it Louis…>>GALPIN: Are you saying…
>>NI-LEWIS: …like some American dude?>>GALPIN: …you’re French Loyalty then?
>>Not anymore than you are Scottish.>>GALPIN: That’s right. I’m not Scottish.
>>NI-LEWIS: You’re crap.>>GALPIN: That’s right.
>>NI-LEWIS: All right. Let’s go.>>GALPIN: All right. This is–anyway, it’s
kind of cool. It sort of combines falling tower action with math. You know, definitely
in terms of tablet, there’s a little bit of work to be done, you know, it’s–and I was
actually a little surprised to see this game was a landscape game. It actually starts off
in portrait and it goes to landscape. In general, if you’re going to lock to one dimension,
you should kind of lock to one dimension, you know, whether–if you’re going to have
a tile screen that’s in landscape, then your game should be in landscape [INDISTINCT]
>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, yeah. You never want to make the user actually…
>>GALPIN: You have to rotate the device.>>NI-LEWIS: …rotate the tablet.
>>GALPIN: Yes. So…>>NI-LEWIS: Unless–well, unless you’re just
trying to get obese children to exercise or try to stand.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: You know, I wish somebody had
done that for me when I was young.>>GALPIN: So, maybe that’s why they called
it Maths Twister and it occurred because you have twist the tablet.
>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, that’s a good point.>>GALPIN: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
>>NI-LEWIS: I had just assumed that it was, you know, what Mormons do for flirting.
>>GALPIN: You have to…>>NI-LEWIS: You know, it’s funny because…
>>GALPIN: …explain that offline.>>NI-LEWIS: It’s funny because I actually–I
was visiting some friends, some, you know, they went to school in Brigham Young University.
>>GALPIN: Uh-huh.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, they brought out this video
and [INDISTINCT] wasn’t the sexiest game of twister you’ve ever seen with…
>>GALPIN: Oh, yeah, so that…>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: Well, that being twisters–I would say it’s beyond flirting there. That’s–twister
is sort of in the heavy, heavy, heavy, petting already when you get to like that.
>>NI-LEWIS: Exactly, right?>>GALPIN: Yeah, totally.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, totally.>>GALPIN: It’s crazy. Yes, drunken, not drunken.
Completely sober, party twister at BYU. All right.
>>NI-LEWIS: All right. Let’s do it.>>GALPIN: You know, all these things I never
knew about. All right. So that’s Maths Twister. You would definitely–I think the biggest
issues that I have are tablet optimization in terms of that. I think, true, the game
is fine on the phone. We play it all on a tablet. Why? Because this has cool HDMI and
it’s running Jelly Bean. Thank you. All right. So, one more game which is also portrait.
It is Jungle Jumper and no, there’s nothing sexual about this game, just in case you’re
curious. There’s no theme here. So…>>NI-LEWIS: We weren’t initially thinking
about that. But now, I can’t unhear it.>>GALPIN: I’m sorry. I’m sorry. To all our
viewers out there, forget about…>>NI-LEWIS: So, the thing I love about Jungle
Jumper is this like Stuart Little title screen they’ve got. It’s like–it’s seriously…
>>GALPIN: You’re a rat.>>NI-LEWIS: But you know what, it’s not Stuart
Little. I don’t–it’s just this–I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of this, but Abel’s Island.
>>GALPIN: Oh, okay.>>NI-LEWIS: Do you know what I’m talking
about? It was like a Newbery Award Winner.>>GALPIN: You can actually jump off the side.
I’ve never done that before. I didn’t realize you could die jumping off–yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: I mean, seriously, did you read Abel’s Island?
>>GALPIN: No, I didn’t actually. I didn’t.>>NI-LEWIS: Okay. All right. Well, in that
case, we can’t share a moment.>>GALPIN: I like the fact of the…
>>NI-LEWIS: Just believe me, the Abel’s Island guy looked exactly like the Jungle Jumper
guy.>>GALPIN: Okay. But I do like the fact that
you actually get nicely and soundly eaten by these guys when you jump on them.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. They got some good animations. I mean, obviously, it wasn’t made for a tablet
in the sense that the background graphics are a little fuzzy at this resolution. That’s
always a little bit disappointing especially when you can see that, you know, they’re pretty
much Vector graphics, so they probably could have been…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …rescaled and not too much
expense, but….>>GALPIN: Yeah. I mean, this game is designed
to be small.>>NI_LEWIS: You can do this thing.
>>GALPIN: I would love to see it have a little more animation than it does, you know.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: It’s like…
>>NI-LEWIS: Well, and to tell the truth, I mean, this is sort of like [INDISTINCT]
where it’s…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …actually not as fun on a tablet because it’s meant to have a smaller place.
>>GALPIN: I–honestly, I do love [INDISTINCT] on a tablet though.
>>NI-LEWIS: I like–well, on a phone though, it’s so much easier.
>>GALPIN: It is easy. I ran into his butt. There we are.
>>NI-LEWIS: Really? He ate you?>>GALPIN: I was–I was–no, I didn’t eat–he
didn’t eat me. I was just butt killed. So…>>NI-LEWIS: That’s disturbing.
>>GALPIN: I know.>>NI-LEWIS: All right. So, let’s see. What
else coming up? Well, next week, I think, either next week or the week after you should
see the ceremonial unkegging of our Android fifth anniversary ale.
>>GALPIN: Very exciting. I was…>>NI-LEWIS: Exactly.
>>GALPIN: The whole team has been looking forward to this.
>>NI-LEWIS: It’s a–what is it?>>GALPIN: Yeah, he hasn’t eaten you at all.
Yeah, sorry, go on.>>NI-LEWIS: They’ve blended two malts and
three hops. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but they are–but I hear it was the
inaugural outing of our new brewery and I understand it ended up a little hoppier than
we wanted to. Yeah.>>GALPIN: Interesting. All right.
>>NI-LEWIS: Just a little accident with the hops, but that’s all right…
>>GALPIN: So, we made–we made more of an IPA?
>>NI-LEWIS: …because we like the hops.>>That is the California thing guys. That’s
very fitting.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, hops.
>>GALPIN: It is.>>NI-LEWIS: Hops, yeah, pretty much. It’s
because probably it make you fat.>>You know, that wasn’t an accident. I actually
did that by design behind the scenes.>>GALPIN: I see. Spiked it with extra hop.
>>NI-LEWIS: So, Daniel Feemster.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: Ruined the fifth anniversary ale.
>>In your words ruined.>>GALPIN: Yes.
>>Not my words.>>GALPIN: He made our fifth anniversary into
a bitter drink to swallow.>>NI-LEWIS: Did you do that with our–with
our code too? Just like sneak in at night and…
>>GALPIN: Yes.>>NI-LEWIS: …do some ninja chickens?
>>GALPIN: That’s right.>>I can’t neither confirm nor deny that.
>>NI-LEWIS: Got you.>>GALPIN: Here we have Daniel Fem ninja chicken
master.>>NI-LEWIS: I totally believe that.
>>GALPIN: I do, absolutely.>>NI-LEWIS: Every now and then you just find
a rogue feature and then…>>GALPIN: Yeah. It’s like how did that get
that ninjas?>>NI-LEWIS: Yes.
>>GALPIN: That’s what happens, yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: It’s totally ninjas.
>>GALPIN: Yeah. Wi-fi direct, that was a total ninja feature.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: It really was.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yup. Media code [INDISTINCT] code.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.
>>GALPIN: The total ninja feature. All right.>>NI-LEWIS: All right.
>>GALPIN: So, yes, continue to get on the moderator. We actually do look at your suggestions
and the best of these games we do present over to our buddies over at the Google Play
team and say, “Please, take a look at them.” They may or may not feature them.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: Like…
>>NI-LEWIS: And not only that, but we actually–we are working on some collections of our very
own.>>GALPIN: Yes.
>>NI-LEWIS: We’re…>>GALPIN: Yeah, we’re very excited about
that. We’ve seen that collections actually are fun people who like them. I was really
excited to see the retro gaming collection which–you know, we talk a lot about retro
game tiles here and we–said, “We really wanted to see some really cool…”
>>NI-LEWIS: Well, really want to do a collection because we’re like, “Well, you can’t put a
retro game on the front page of Google Play.”>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: Because a lot of people aren’t going to understand.
>>GALPIN: What the heck is this, man?>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. It’s going to blow their
mind, you know.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: We’re not part of their system.>>GALPIN: Yeah, exactly, you know, like 8-bit
audio and low res graphic.>>NI-LEWIS: Exactly. But…
>>GALPIN: But for people who want it…>>NI-LEWIS: Great.
>>GALPIN: …it’s awesome.>>NI-LEWIS: I collect it up, yeah, absolutely.
>>GALPIN: I’m like, “Oh, yes, I’m saving my childhood right here.”
>>NI-LEWIS: I’m totally–yeah.>>GALPIN: Yeah. Back when I didn’t read Abel’s
Odyssey.>>NI-LEWIS: That’s okay because you had a
childhood with 8-bit graphics. I used to dream of 8-bit graphics.
>>GALPIN: Yeah. I remember when I was a child, I used live in a shoebox.
>>NI-LEWIS: With a lid?>>GALPIN: Yeah. You’re inside a lid, lucky
man.>>NI-LEWIS: All right. We’re punchy.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, indeed.>>NI-LEWIS: We talk about our games, talked
about some game development. We are going to be shifting this. The show, right, time
wise?>>GALPIN: Maybe. I don’t know. We might be.
Watch.>>NI-LEWIS: Big change is coming up.
>>GALPIN: Big chage.>>NI-LEWIS: We will announce it on Google
Plus.>>GALPIN: Yes.
>>NI-LEWIS: But basically, we just have to get through this month and then we have not–well,
you know.>>GALPIN: Well, drink some more. Drink some
more.>>NI-LEWIS: Right. We get through this month
and we are going to change things up. So, keep an eye on us and keep the comments coming.
Now, let’s see what people are saying on the comment stream. God, you guys suck so bad.
>>We actually–we actually had typical….>>GALPIN: [INDISTINCT] that needs more specifics.
>>…Youtube comments.>>NI-LEWIS: Really? Are there people being
like…>>Okay. So, here is a question about the
Transformer Prime. Is the Transformer the best Android tablet or do you guys just use
it because [INDISTINCT]>>NI-LEWIS: Well, the Transformer has some
advantages. It is not–definitely not a bad Android tablet. I don’t know I’d go so far
to say it’s the best. For–as far as things that are shipping now that we can get our
hands on and reliably get several backup units, it is the very best at providing HDMI out.
It’s got really good HDMI out options.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: Asus added some things to the base Android system that allow it to do things
like rotate in a portrait mode. So, that makes our show a lot easier.
>>GALPIN: Yeah. That’s–I mean, that’s the primary reason we’re using it on the show.
We have them and they have this really cool feature. You know, we don’t have HDMI on our
tablet sad to say, you know, on the Nexus 7. So, if we had an Nexus 7.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: I mean, a Nexus tablet HDMI, we
might use it.>>NI-LEWIS: I mean, if you think about it,
the Nexus 7 in a lot of ways is a stripped down Transformer Prime.
>>GALPIN: In a lot of ways. Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: It’s, you know, it’s got the–essentially,
the same processing power, but a smaller screen, no rear camera, you know…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …all the options are taken
off.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: So fortunately we have a lot of experience with that chipset and that piece
of hardware, so…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …it’s a lot easier to show. Now, there are some disadvantages to the Transformer
Prime. It’s–out of all of the–it’s sort of the odd man out on rendering.
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: Unlike almost all mobile chips,
it’s not a tile renderer; it’s forward renderer.>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: And that means that it’s very, very sensitive to performance characteristics
that the tiler can handle very easily and vice versa.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, so, like, you know, for example, you know, there’s just three different renderers
essentially on Android. We have tile-based, deferred tile-based and we have immediate
mode or direct rendering [INDISTINCT] on this. And this tablet is–this chipset is really
cool if you need to do some really clever effects that involve reading stuff back out
of the buffer, because the buffer is updated in the, you know, in these thing. The screen
is updated in real time. It was actually really fast to go and read stuff out. With the tile-based
renderer or deferred renderer, it means that it has to reconstruct that piece of the buffer
when you want in the middle of rendering and that can slow you down in immense amount.
So there are certain kinds of full screen effects that this kind of chipset can do that
are very difficult to do on a tile-based renderer.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, it’s–you know, when you
think about the way the hardware is put together, it’s not so much as tile-based renderer is
bad at it…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …it’s that–it’s significantly better at not doing that and it…
>>GALPIN: Yeah, that…>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, so…
>>GALPIN: There we go.>>NI-LEWIS: …so in other words, you’re
not–you’re not actually doing something that…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS:…that the hardware is bad at, it’s just that it has to…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …forgo a whole set of optimizations
[INDISTINCT]>>GALPIN: Right. And it promise this, you
know, this hardware is designed to do work the other way and so, what this–so the tile-based
renderers tend to actually have performance problems when you start having to force them
in the sort of direct mode rendering because they just…
>>NI-LEWIS: Right.>>GALPIN: …weren’t designed to work that
way.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. On the other hand, tile-based
renderers excel at some things, you know, for instance if you’re doing rebacks from
a frame for blending, they’re–they can be very, very fast.
>>GALPIN: Absolutely, yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: Many tile-based renderers, especially
the ones that are fully deferred and have geometry sorting, are incredible at dealing
with completely unsorted geometry…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …which is a real benefit because…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …sorting geometry is, A, not actually a tractable problem.
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: You can–you can get close, but
it’s sort of a traveling salesman thing and so…
>>GALPIN: Absolutely.>>NI-LEWIS: But also, it takes up a lot of
CPU resources, so…>>GALPIN: Yeah. Now, that being said, a lot
of other drivers for tile-based renderers also do some of that sorting…
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: …inventing on the CPU drivers.
So there is–there is additional CPU load already in a tile-based renderer just kind
of to begin with and it…>>NI-LEWIS: Well, I mean, it’s always a…
>>GALPIN: And it…>>NI-LEWIS: …cooperation between the CPU
and the…>>GALPIN: …and then–yeah…
>>NI-LEWIS: …GPU, yeah.>>GALPIN: And then the magic sauce really
isn’t, you know, the big the trace how much is done where? It’s, you know, it’s kind of…
>>NI-LEWIS: Right.>>GALPIN: …and exactly, you know, how…
>>NI-LEWIS: That’s very true.>>GALPIN: It’s like that, you know, but basically–but,
yeah, so in theory also–in theory is that and this isn’t really proven, but that the
immediate mode guys would say when you get into a really, really huge amount of geometry
when you start doing things like having procedural geometry basically.
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: That you start running into things
that immediate mode renderers do better than tile-based renderers.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: And I think the jury is still out.
We’ll have to wait to see what happens with the–with…
>>NI-LEWIS: Well, nobody’s going to do that, right? Not more effective…
>>GALPIN: Well, okay, okay.>>NI-LEWIS: …I’d be really surprised.
>>GALPIN: OpenGeo is starting to add this kinds of features in, so I think–you know,
I think we’ll have to look, you know, five years down the line, we’re going to definitely
have APIs and chips that’ll support, you know, doing that kind of geometry.
>>NI-LEWIS: Well, but the thing is it’s not–it’s not so much that…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …the sheer amount of geometry.
It’s–the same reason that sorting is a different problem.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, you know, you’re right.>>NI-LEWIS: But, you know, on a tiler, you’re
really dealing with just a very large number of frustra basically.
>>GALPIN: Yes.>>NI-LEWIS: So, you’ve already pre-clipped
a lot of your trial, so the chances of getting interpenetration…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …is very low. Now, at the point
where we are sitting…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …as application developers…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …when we say sort your geometry, we’re not actually thinking about sorting
your trials. We’re usually thinking about sorting it on the object level, right?
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: Because we’ll draw entire BBOs
at a time.>>GALPIN: Exactly, and that’s…
>>NI-LEWIS: So, that’s actually…>>GALPIN: …and that’s…
>>NI-LEWIS: That’s a difficult problem because you get these interpenetrating things.
>>GALPIN: Absolutely. And that’s actually a big challenge. It’s a challenge anyways,
because you also have certain geometry that is translucent.
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: And so you actually have to maintain
that in proper, you know, front to back order…>>NI-LEWIS: Right.
>>GALPIN: …while you actually want to maintain all of your geometry that isn’t translucent
in back to front order and so…>>NI-LEWIS: I…
>>GALPIN: …you have to–you have to watch out for all those interdependencies as well.
So this is…>>NI-LEWIS: But it’s not like it’s, you know,
I mean, this isn’t a secret to anybody because…>>GALPIN: No.
>>NI-LEWIS: …desktop cards have been doing this for a long, long time. It’s really…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …only on the mobile space that
tilers are super popular.>>GALPIN: Absolutely.
>>NI-LEWIS: But a lot of it is because–as you’re saying, you know, with deferred renderers–I’m
sorry, with medium renderers, you get more predictable performance…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …it’s easier to reason about
what the GPU is doing.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>.NI-LEWIS: It’s easier to do multi-pass effect, but–and it’s easier to take advantage
of these, you know, super long shaders that you got too.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: But it doesn’t mean that when
you’re in much more resource constrained environment…>>GALPIN: Yeah, it’s…
>>NI-LEWIS: …they don’t shine.>>GALPIN: They don’t shine, exactly. And
so–and I think that–so it is interesting. So one of the thing–one of the thing that’s
nice about this is, one, you see that most of the games are really well on it. I mean,
honestly…>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.
>>GALPIN: …you know, the vast majority of games on Android do great on the Transformer
Prime and it’s really exciting also for us–the other thing that’s about Transformer Prime
is they did get Jelly Bean and it’s really, really nice. Like the difference in smoothness
when this guy went into Jelly Bean was huge, because it felt fast to begin with. But as
soon as we…>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, I never had a real problem
with it. But–yeah, when…>>GALPIN: But when you see Jelly Bean on
this…>>NI-LEWIS: It’s the same way…
>>GALPIN: …it’s like…>>NI-LEWIS: …like my Galaxy Nexus when
I upgraded it to Jelly Bean, I’m like, wow. I feel like I just got a new phone.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: And it’s because the–you know,
we did a lot of work which we’re actually really hoping to bring to you…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …over the next few months.
It just talks about how you can dejunk your applications the same way we dejunk the operating
system. Mostly because all the guys did the dejunking…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …sit, like, two cubes away
from us and…>>GALPIN: And then they’re like, “When are
you going to do this online, dude?”>>NI-LEWIS: They actually hate us and they
are like, “God, would you go away?” But…>>GALPIN: Yeah, we bugged them all the time.
>>NI-LEWIS: …we have listening devices.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah. And when we say, bugged them…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …we mean actually microphones
in their office.>>GALPIN: So, we…
>>NI-LEWIS: We get all their secrets…>>GALPIN: The important thing is we added
this too…>>NI-LEWIS: …nothing is safe.
>>GALPIN: …called Systrays.>>NI-LEWIS: Yup.
>>GALPIN: And Systrays is really, really awesome. So, I’ll show an example. So on one
GPU, we could actually look at Systrays since they are–the GPU is rendering here and the
thread went to sleep for this period of time…>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.
>>GALPIN: …and then the GPU was rendering here. Why did the thread go to sleep? Well,
the thread went to sleep because that point we didn’t read back from the GPU.
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: And we could say–and that was
that the entire chunk of time which we could actually measure and you can see that in Systrays.
It was actually…>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm, exactly.
>>GALPIN: …the GPU going, “Hey, well, I’m going to do a bunch of calculation now. This
sucks.” So…>>NI-LEWIS: Well, now, remember of course
that there’s two components to any read back, right? There is the–there is the fact that
you’re, you know, you have to stall out the GPU writing side.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: But you also have to make sure
that the resource isn’t in use on either side. So it’s…
>>GALPIN: Yes, yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: So, it’s not just–sorry. So,
you need to collect the tiles…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …and do all and, you know, collapse your deferred renderer.
>>GALPIN: Yes.>>NI-LEWIS: And you also need to do a synchronization
between the CPU and GPU and that’s what really kills you. And one thing that we’ve noticed
with video is that no matter how fast you are or how good you…
>>GALPIN: That’s why cache coherent CPUs and GPUs are iconic kickass…
>>NI-LEWIS: No, no…>>GALPIN: Okay.
>>NI-LEWIS: …because here’s the problem…>>GALPIN: Yeah, yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …it’s not actually–it’s not actually a synchronization problem, it’s more
a sequencing problem…>>GALPIN: I know.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: I was just kidding.
>>NI-LEWIS: That is–yeah, your point. But anyway, the problem is–or the solution I
should say…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …is that you just never want to have the GPU and CPU holding on to the
same resource at once.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: And so–and, you know, if you’re working on a desktop part, you already know
how this works because you have to deal with PCI Synchronization…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …and the solution is staging
buffers. So, you don’t do a read back into a texture and then immediately use it. You
do a read back…>>GALPIN: Yeah, exactly.
>>NI-LEWIS: …this frame while you’re reading the read back that you did three frames ago.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, it’s actually point–one of the things people do actually for reflection…
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: …is that you actually don’t calculate
a reflection every frame…>>NI-LEWIS: Right.
>>GALPIN: …but you use, you know, every other frame, you know, maybe every two frames,
you know, depending on how much you’re allowed. All right, well, now let’s calculate reflection
and we’ll apply that and that’s from two frames ago, but that’s okay.
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: Because actually the user can’t
really tell because on top of some other wavy meshy thing and…
>>NI-LEWIS: Right, right.>>GALPIN: And…
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, and a lot of it depends of course on who is doing the read back.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: I mean, because the problem is
that the GPU is considered to be a user of that texture from the point that a draw call
involving it had submitted to the…>>GALPIN: uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …point where it retires.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: So, that’s actually a huge length of time that the GPU is not in fact using
the texture.>>GALPIN: Absolutely.
>>NI-LEWIS: And in fact most of these GPUs are executing completely serially.
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: So, for instance it’s no problem
for the GPU to read back a texture as long as it’s not actually writing to it right now.
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: But having the CPU read it back
or if you need to do any kind of processing that involves the CPU which as you noted before…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …you don’t really know because
a lot of this–the magic happens in the driver.>>GALPIN: Inside the driver.
>>NI-LEWIS: And each one of these…>>GALPIN: Yeah, absolutely.
>>NI-LEWIS: …chips is not just a self contained magical graphics…
>>GALPIN: Not at all, no.>>NI-LEWIS: …producing unit. It’s part
of an ecosystem of software that lives in multiple places.
>>GALPIN: And–yeah. So, it’s interesting. And then sometimes you actually–for some
of these effects, you actually can do them entirely on the CPU, you know, like some of
the guys…>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.
>>GALPIN: …some of the guys, you just fake it out. You’re like, “All right, I know I’ve
got a problem with this geometry. Let’s calculate it on the CPU. Let’s not even get the GPU
involved and we’ll…”>>NI-LEWIS: Well, sometimes that’s your best
choice, right?>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: Because–especially if you’ve got things where you got a lot of recursion
and you…>>GALPIN: [INDISTINCT] Oh, yeah, recursion,
yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: Or…
>>GALPIN: What was that?>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, yeah, yeah, feedback, right?
>>GALPIN: So, feedback.>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, so let’s say you’re doing
an IRR filter…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …which depends on feeding back the results of previous calculations.
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: Well, that’s incredibly difficult
for a GPU to do well because…>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.
>>NI-LEWIS: …unless you’re doing entire frame…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …buffers at a time, right?
So, but the GPU is for like…>>GALPIN: Well, you know and that’s why they
go great on these–on these newer devices. We have some very, very powerful CPUs with,
you know, Vector processing…>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.
>>GALPIN: …built in to them, you know. Neons can do a lot of really cool stuff. So,
it’s–it definitely is an opportunity to actually go and balance some of the load between the
CPU or GPU and especially when you get into this tilers, you can really–you can start
to guess at what they’re going to do badly and you’ll usually be right.
>>NI-LEWIS: All right. I think…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: And then that’s it, the world’s…>>GALPIN: Are there…
>>NI-LEWIS: …world record for the longest answer to complete a long the question.
>>GALPIN: Yeah, I know.>>NI-LEWIS: Next question.
>>GALPIN: Yes. Is there anything else in the screen that’s interesting at all?
>>Yes, so a question from Bugsize. He’s asking [INDISTINCT] keep pushing hardware speed,
won’t programming become really easy? No more optimizations needed?
>>GALPIN: Well, it–I guess at some point, way in the distant future. The thing is we
keep pushing kind of two things. One is the expectation for quality. So, you know, while,
you know, while we’re pushing more Geometer, we’re pushing more textures, we’re pushing
more layering. And so we’re keeping up the hardware. The second thing is we’re going
high resolution, you know. I mean and as–and every time we go a higher resolution, it’s
kind of funny we sort of take a step forward and a step back.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah.>>GALPIN: A step forward and a step back.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, exactly. Well, and so I have my own personal answer for you. And of
course the answer is yes, see JavaScript, right?
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: Because–I mean, that’s why we
have the web is because this incredibly inefficient mode of programming that grew out of the mark
up language and an experiment in Computer Science…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …has now become capable of
running almost anything as long as you’re on a massively multi-core of computer with
gigabytes of RAM.>>GALPIN: Exactly.
>>NI-LEWIS: But on–and so I think that that trend will probably continue…
>>GALPIN:: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …especially now that we’ve
really gotten for multi-core into the desktop. But here’s the problem…
>>GALPIN: For certain class of games, I think–I think we won’t have to optimize.
>>NI-LEWIS: Well, here’s the problem for mobile though, a little thing I like to call
the Laws of Physics. There is certain amount of weight you’re willing to carry in your
pocket.>>GALPIN: You cannot change the Laws of Physics.
>>NI-LEWIS: That’s right. Thank you. I was waiting for that.
>>GALPIN: I know you were.>>NI-LEWIS: The–wait. That does make you
evil, Scotty?>>GALPIN: Does, it does? You’re right. All
right. Never mind. I don’t know what I…>>NI-LEWIS: Nice.
>>GALPIN: …thought I was doing there.>>NI-LEWIS: Anyway, the point is, so you
have a specific amount of battery.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: You have a specific size and specific tolerant for heat. Now, if you’ve
ever felt the back of let’s say a giant, you know, Mac Pro or a–one of these big Windows
workstations or anything like that. You know that the type of computational power that
it takes to run let’s say…>>GALPIN: It totally beats my house.
>>NI-LEWIS: …[INDISTINCT] yeah.>>GALPIN: It’s awesome like I don’t even
need to turn on the heater at certain times. I just turn up that [MAKES NOISE]
>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, all I do is check my Gmail.>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: Boom.>>GALPIN: Exactly. That’s why I called it
VA, right?>>NI-LEWIS: Yeah, exactly. So, you know,
none of that is going to take away from the miracle that is modern computing. But to get
that into the size–I mean it is somewhat that you could…
>>GALPIN: It somewhat less than [INDISTINCT]>>NI-LEWIS: Well–right. And it’s the same
way that you can be like–well, gee, you know, Transatlantic Ocean Liners can produce huge
amounts of horse powers. So, I guess we don’t have to worry about designing cars to be aerodynamic.
Well, no, because you’re never going to get that, you know, that engine…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …into that size and make it
work efficiently, right?>>GALPIN: I think on mobile it’s always good
to–it’s always good when you can design something efficiently. You can always help the user’s
battery life. You know, we–you know, sometimes the reason why people stop playing mobile
games is like, “This game is sucking away all of my battery.” And, you know, so being
more efficient is always better. Now, that being said, you know, we are getting to a
point in which certain kinds of optimizations aren’t as important.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yes.>>GALPIN: And for a lot of games. I mean
there’s…>>NI-LEWIS: Very sure.
>>GALPIN: There’s a lot–there’s a whole series of games that just doesn’t have to
care about certain things. But memory is always an important resource. We have a lot of devices
that have, you know, different sizes of VMs, different sizes of actual physical memory
in different amount of stuff that’s running on top of them. So it’s always good to be
resource sensitive…>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.
>>GALPIN: …on this resource constraints…>>NI-LEWIS: But there are tradeoffs, you
know. I mean…>>GALPIN: Yeah.
>>NI-LEWIS: …sometimes you can–you can trade memory for greater CPU.
>>GALPIN: Absolutely.>>NI-LEWIS: That’s less the case than it–than
it used to be. CPUs have really gotten faster, memory buses have quite kept up…
>>GALPIN: Well, I mean we can–we can–we could make cars more sufficient today. We
could build them out of titanium.>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.
>>GALPIN: But the problem is it would be really, really, really, expensive and no one
would but them. So, you know, you…>>NI-LEWIS: Except for you. I think–don’t
you have titanium car now?>>GALPIN: No, I don’t. But that sounds like
a brilliant idea.>>NI-LEWIS: Right. I’m mixing you up with
Sergey.>>GALPIN: Exactly. Yeah, I know. People do
that. It’s the beard.>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, that same thing, yeah. He
owns a titanium car.>>GALPIN: So, in any case, you know, so I
mean there’s a point in which obviously you’re–what I’m saying is that in terms of efficiency,
there is a point in which you want to–you have to stop and say, “Look, it’s just not
worth it.” We’ve hit the 95 percentile of what, you know, what we’re going to get.
>>NI-LEWIS: Uh-hmm.>>GALPIN: But I think that, you know, especially
in mobile it’s a–forced us to relook at efficiency and say, “You know, this is really important
stuff,” which is fun because we love it to work Computer Scientists.
>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, yeah.>>GALPIN: And we love actually looking at
those kinds of problems.>>NI-LEWIS: Remember though that actually
speed is not as important as it once was. But smoothness is. So a lot of times, we’re
doing things that don’t actually increase the speed of the application. What they do
is they increase the responsiveness and make certain that the animations can play at 60
frames per second. So making something twice as fast isn’t hard. Making it consistently
60 FPS when you started out at 15 FPS or 30 FPS is often extremely difficult because…
>>GALPIN: Uh-hmm.>>NI-LEWIS: …especially if you’re trying
to make it consistent, consistent.>>GALPIN: Yeah. And again, if you’re trying
to, you know, one of the real challenges on Android is you’re trying to use a very small
amount of memory targeting a very high resolution screen and you are fighting the fact that
you’ve also have garbage collection going, that every once in a while that’s going to
take 20-30 milliseconds.>>NI-LEWIS: I love how a very small amount
of memory.>>GALPIN: Yeah, I know.
>>NI-LEWIS: And is–yeah.>>GALPIN: Yeah, like 64 megabytes of memory,
you know, is–which is…>>NI-LEWIS: Well, right–or, you know, I
mean if we have a gig or two gigs in a device, I mean that’s like…
>>GALPIN: Yeah.>>NI-LEWIS: …I’d use to dream of that.
>>GALPIN: Well, exactly. I mean I actually–I actually remember that 16 megabytes memory
for a [INDISTINCT] or for a computer was just something beyond like that was what professional
photo workstations had and that was like $5,000…>>NI-LEWIS: Oh, yeah, exactly.
>>GALPIN: …worth of memory.>>NI-LEWIS: Exactly.
>>GALPIN: The fact that we have that for a process–so, you know, it’s always going
to take things into consideration. That’s what I mean when I talk about quality, you
know, the quality keeps going up. We keep finding ways of using those computing resource.
So I think that we’re not going to be at a time anytime soon. Maybe 20-30 years out,
we’re going to be able to say, “Yeah, you know, we don’t need to worry about this.”
But I think that for–we still have a pretty long cycle before that stuff becomes unimportant.
>>NI-LEWIS: Yup.>>GALPIN: All right. I think–I think–is
there anything else exciting?>>NI-LEWIS: Anything else on the screen that’s
just really knocking you out? No?>>GALPIN: No. All right.
>>NI-LEWIS: All right.>>GALPIN: Well, thank you for joining us.
As always, vote stuff up in the moderator page. Let us know what you’re playing. Let
us know what you want us to talk about. We’re going to try mix up the format of the show
a little. We’ve got some exciting stuff coming on as soon as we get some sleep. So, thank
you once again for joining us and our friends over at [INDISTINCT]. It was actually getting
a fan for providing this delicious IPA that we’re drinking now.
>>NI-LEWIS: All right. God bless us everyone. Little Android play us up.
>>GALPIN: God Bless us everyone. Here we are.

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